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    Dear Jelte et al.,<br>
    <br>
    FYI,<br>
    Francesco and I have been maintaining lim. mag. results at <br>
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    which includes comparison to predictions and idea of sensitivity
    decreases.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers, Gijs<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 11/22/2012 12:00 PM, Jelte de Jong wrote:
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      Dear Francesco,<br>
      <br>
      the limiting mags, as written in the original proposal, are the
      following:<br>
      u: 24.8<br>
      g: 25.4<br>
      r: 25.2<br>
      i: 24.2<br>
      (see also for example on the KiDS website: <a
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        href="http://kids.strw.leidenuniv.nl/techspecs.php">http://kids.strw.leidenuniv.nl/techspecs.php</a>).<br>
      <br>
      Seems to me that we're off by about 0.4 mag, of which 0.3 is
      probably attributable to the decrease of throughput of the system
      due to mirror reflectivity? <br>
      Btw, we should be able to see this by looking at the limiting mags
      as function of observation date. Would be interesting to verify
      this.<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Jelte<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/11/12 09:53, Francesco La
        Barbera wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOnmKXdg198O_bZP3P=Mb5eBjAoAWT-t6mR0=acfoq=x5hqVVg@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">Dear Gijs, et al.,<br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Gijs
          Verdoes Kleijn <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:verdoes@astro.rug.nl" target="_blank">verdoes@astro.rug.nl</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear
            Francesco et al,<br>
            <br>
            Many thanks for the input Francesco. I bring this
            conversation now into the mailinglist space to ease
            following the discussion.
            <div class="im"><br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>OK!&nbsp;</div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <div class="im">
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I ran
                the procedure for all 52 fields. The procedure produces
                a single plot, with SNR as a function<br>
                of 2'' diameter mag. One example is attached here, for
                the field KIDS_185.0_1.5.r.<br>
                Black points are all good (flag==0) objects in the
                field. In red you can see the median trend, while<br>
                the blue curve is the analytic fit<br>
                p_1*flux/(p_2*flux+p_3)<br>
                where p_1, p_2, and p_3 are free fitting parameters.<br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            Looks good! Could you share the script you are using? Then
            Hugo and I will make a python version of it as part of the
            QC script for sourcelists.<br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I'm attaching here the fortran program, which is part of
            KIDSCAT now. In order to compile it, you</div>
          <div>need the port library+pgplot. Binary versions of these
            libraries were already included in the first KIDSCAT
            internal release. You should have them already, otherwise,
            pls, just lemme know.</div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The
            series of 4 (5?) curves are due to discrete steps in
            integration times due to the dither pattern, right?<br>
            The displacement in magnitude seem in rough agreement with
            that idea:<br>
            &gt;&gt;&gt; -2.5*math.log10(4/5.)<br>
            0.24227503252014099<br>
            &gt;&gt;&gt; -2.5*math.log10(3/5.)<br>
            0.55462187404089092<br>
            &gt;&gt;&gt; -2.5*math.log10(1/5.)<br>
            1.7474250108400469<br>
            &gt;&gt;&gt; -2.5*math.log10(2/5.)<br>
            0.99485002168009395
            <div class="im"><br>
              <br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div>Yup, different patterns correspond to objects in regions
            with different texp (because of dithering).&nbsp;</div>
          <div>Your figures further confirm this.&nbsp;</div>
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            <div class="im">
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                The analytic fit is used to compute the typical mag
                corresponding to SNR_LIMIT=5 (see dashed and<br>
                solid black lines in the plot). This is our limiting
                mag.<br>
                The procedure also computes the same kind of limit but
                for different SNR_LIMIT(i.e. 10 and 15). These<br>
                values are stored in an ascii file (MLIM.dat), into the
                subdirectory OUTPUT_RES.<br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            Good. Please store the analytic fit parameters as well.
            Those will come in handy.
            <div class="im"><br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div>Done. In the ascii file MLIM.dat, we also have now a
            third column with p_i.</div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
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            <div class="im">
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                I made some tests according to what we mentioned some
                time ago:<br>
                1) I can confirm that computing SNR from either FLUXERR
                or MAGERR doesn't make any difference at all (just a
                sanity check);<br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            Good.
            <div class="im"><br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> 2)
                using different detection tresholds does not change
                significantly the mag lim estimates; the second attached
                plot<br>
                shows the effect of decreasing DETECT_TRESH from 2.5 to
                2.0 for the same fit as in the example. The mag lim goes<br>
                from 24.77 to 24.78!!<br>
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            </div>
            Good to know MAG_APER at 2" diameter is very insensitive to
            this change in DETECT_THRESH. That might be different for
            e..g, MAG_ISO. For now I think it is enough to restrict the
            lim. mag. analysis to MAG_APER with 2". For those we have
            predictions we can compare to (in KiDS proposal). KiDS team
            meeting is a good opportunity if/how we need to extend the
            lim. mag. analysis.<br>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Could you kindly provide us the predictions (the ones in
            hte porposal) for different wavebands ? We (Nicola+me) are
            performing a systematic comparison to predicted mag_lim's,
            and want to be sure to use correct&nbsp;values.&nbsp;</div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <div>Of course, the meeting will be an excellenet opportunity
            to discuss possible extensions....</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Cheers!</div>
          <div>F.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Best
            wishes, Gijs
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5"><br>
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                  Pls, lemme know whatever comment/suggestion you have.
                  Also, do we want/need compute other limiting mags<br>
                  (e.g. using MAGAUTO/different apertures)???<br>
                  <br>
                  Cheers,<br>
                  Francesco<br>
                  <br>
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